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mum2sarah
09-06-2003, 06:22 AM
Like my illiteration? This will give you a good laugh, I'm sure.

My family seems a little concerned about my vegan diet, especially since I'm pregnant and still nursing, but they usually don't question me about it too much. The other day, though, my mom calls me up with this alarmed tone in her voice and says that her sister just read in "Prevention" magazine that consuming soy during pregnancy or breastfeeding can decrease the size of your son's penis, and this worried her because we don't know what gender our unborn babe is.

Of course I asked her who did the study, who funded it, whether it was done on humans or animals, etc. She said she didn't know about who did the study but it was done on mice not humans. But still, she said, it was a cause for concern, and wouldn't I please read the article. So I said I wasn't that concerned about it, but I'd read the article if it would make her happy.

So when I found the "article" in September's "Prevention" magazine, it was only a quarter of a page, and didn't even specify which animals were used for testing. It also said that the animals were given not just simple soy, but soy's active ingredient, genistein, and that this produced male offspring with lower testoterone levels and smaller sexual organs. It made absolutely no mention of who conducted the study or who funded the study or any references whatsoever. But based upon this obviously inconclusive "evidence" they used this as the title of the little blurb: "Pregnant? Say no to soy." How ludicrous!

The funniest part was when I happened to flip the page backward and noticed that this little soy article just happened to appear on the flip side of a full page beef add. Coincidence? Even my hubbie thinks not. He smiled and said that it was obviously a ploy to scare expectant fathers into making their wives eat meat. Because God forbid he should have a son with undersized genitalia, and look at that juicy steak, now *there's* a "good" source of "manly" protein! :p

So even though I could never possibly take this thing seriously, it has my family concerned unnecessarily, and it ticks me off, frankly. Especially because earlier in the magazine they were touting a diet to cut cholesterol that just happened to contain lots of soy and be vegan, but, as my sister said, "They didn't have the balls to come out and say that this reccommended diet was actually vegan." Food for thought, huh?

If you want to contact them, you can visit www.prevention.com/contactus/ or email them at prevention@rodale.com
(Hey wait, wasn't rodale involved with the start of the organic food movement??? How ironic!)




VOW
09-06-2003, 06:38 PM
That's a good one, all right!

I'm very concerned, because Rodale is usually pretty responsible in health reporting. And you're right, they have touted organic foods and healthy eating since the beginning of time.

I can't see the link between mice and men, especially since the development of genitalia typically occurs during puberty, when the boy's body produces mass quantities of testosterone. In utero development is a completely different story.

Hello, Rodale?




~VOW

frenchie
09-06-2003, 09:52 PM
Well, I would hate to see the size of my son's penis if I *didn't* consume soy while I was pregnant...LOL......he would've been born with a 3rd leg! what a ridiculous article!

mum2sarah
09-07-2003, 04:43 AM
Frenchie, That's so funny! LOL! :p
Yeah, one of the things I said to my mom was that if that study were true then I guess all sons of vegetarians must have small penises and I find that hard to believe!

sophie
09-07-2003, 07:15 PM
As the mother of two sons I can say without a doubt that that is totally absurd!
I hate to think what they'll come up with next.

capersmama
09-08-2003, 07:03 AM
What a hoot! I just ran across this thread today.

5 days ago I saw my mom and the 1st thing out of her mouth was.."Alice..did you read the article on how soy consumption during pregnancy makes little boys <hushed voice> privates smaller?"
I replied "no" and she insisted that when she finds the article I MUST read it. I told her My last 2 sons seem to have no problem in that area..and she insisted that "studies" have been done. UUGGHH

What a hoot how family and friends believe ALL bad info concerning a vegan diet YET REFUSE to believe anything negative concerning an animal based diet.

<sigh> all we can do is try to teach them to swim..in the end it is they who actually have to sink or swim.

mum2sarah
09-08-2003, 07:30 AM
Originally posted by capersmama

What a hoot how family and friends believe ALL bad info concerning a vegan diet YET REFUSE to believe anything negative concerning an animal based diet. .

You are so right!!!! My mom *still* insists on counting her carbs, those evil things, but won't listen to a word about cutting down her meat consumption. Sometimes it makes you feel like banging your head against a wall!

duckie1978
09-08-2003, 10:13 AM
I wrote to them about this article, mentioning how small the article was, that they did not list a source or who funded the study, nor did they mention that the majority of animal research proves to be misleading or often are grossly incorrect. I also mentioned that they were encouraging the myth that males need large phallics inorder to be a man. This was their sole reponse:

Thank you for your comments on PREVENTION. Feedback from our readers is always given careful consideration.

We appreciate the time you have taken to inform us of your dissatisfaction with our publication. Your comments and observations have been referred to our editors for their review.

The source of our article was the April 2003 issue of The Journal of Urology by the American Urological Association. (Your local library may have a copy of this report)


Linda Frey
Readers' Service Group Specialist
Rodale Inc.
33 E. Minor St.
Emmaus, PA 18098-0099
Phone: 610-967-7233
Fax: 610-967-8964
E-mail: Linda.Frey@Rodale.com

VOW
09-08-2003, 01:17 PM
It would be interesting to see the original article in the Uro Journal.



~VOW

duckie1978
10-04-2003, 05:47 AM
The people at Prevention emailed me today! They told me that alot of people wrote to them about this issue and they wanted to print my letter! Yea! It will be in the January issue!

Erin Pavlina
10-04-2003, 07:09 AM
Wow! That's fantastic! Remind us about it when the issue comes up so we can check it out.

annie7
10-04-2003, 04:42 PM
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D

guera
01-04-2004, 08:39 PM
The only thing I heard about consuming alot of soy while pregnant is the male infant could end up with a birth defect called:
hypospadias (birth defect of the penis) caused by eating too much phytoestrogens hormone-like compounds found in soy.

The opening of the penis is under the shaft instaed of on the top of it.

That is the only articles I have seen on soy while pregnant!

Mucho Amor,
Megan

tricia
01-04-2004, 08:42 PM
and that was proven to be a biased study cuz the whole point was to prove something wrong with a vegetarian diet...and i have had this discussion on one of my other forums... and im too tired to think but i will check the archives and let you know... or probably anyone here has heard the issue with that study....

alexis
01-05-2004, 02:05 AM
well i read about a Malaysian study that linked excessive consumption of soy to 'sissy' behaviour in men.....hmmmm...who cares anyway??

sophie
01-06-2004, 11:47 PM
Unfortunately, my baby son was born with Hypospadias. However, as I consumed no soy during pregnancy (save a dash of soymilk in my tea here and there) I am confident that it was just "one of those things". I am thankful that the Hypospadias did not occur with my older son, as I did consume a lot of soy in that pregnancy and would therefore have probably blamed the soy and myself for the condition.
I am really dreading my family and close friends who know of his condition getting wind of this study, for obvious reasons. :(

momto4
04-08-2004, 09:58 AM
My MIL sent me the article about soy and small penises also a month or so ago. What gets me is, that these studies always isolate one thing in the food and then give it to the animal in such excessive amounts that no human could possibly eat that much in a life time let alone in a 9 month period.
And ITA with the whole finding the bad stuff about a vegan/vegetarian diet, yet not beliving a word about a meat based diet. Like veggies are bad for you! :rolleyes:
Makes you crazy doesn't it!

H

mabelkitty
04-08-2004, 11:38 PM
Originally posted by momto4
My MIL sent me the article about soy and small penises also a month or so ago. What gets me is, that these studies always isolate one thing in the food and then give it to the animal in such excessive amounts that no human could possibly eat that much in a life time let alone in a 9 month period.
H

Agreed! My botany professor brought this up (we were discussing drugs from plants). He mentioned animal testing, and how the amounts given to the animals are so insane, it's no wonder that they get cancer, etc! His comment was something like, "If *you* were fed 25 lbs. of chocolate at one time, you'd be pretty sick too!" He's an awesome teacher.

I hope your little guy is doing okay, Sophie. It's terrible that many of your friends & family would blame you for your son's condition. I doubt the small amounts of soy you consumed would do any harm... especially, as you said, your older son is just fine! :)