This is ridiculous!!

[EricP]

http://slate.msn.com/id/2090629/

In short summary, soy milk tastes like crap and cow's milk tastes god-sent.

The only problem here is that these people are TRYING to compare real milk to milk-alternatives... it won't work! I've tried different brands of orange juice that taste totally different, look different from each other, etc, so are these people for real in expecting anything to taste like cows milk

When I ate meat and had dairy, I couldn't stand even the sight of milk. It's disgusting. The thought of what it actually is and where it came from were enough to turn me off (when I was NOT vegan!).

Am I going over the bridge with this one guys?? Or did that link get to you too?

Regards,

EricP

[tricia]

( lets see if i can edit this.... when i tried it froze my comp)


Ok I read that website...they r expecting milk alternatives to taste and be just like milk from a cow...

i have vitasoy in my house along with silk and a few other brands... and to me the full fat fortified ones are very yummy and r great with cookies... i know i downed a few cookies at halloween and needed my soy milk to wash all them down... and i eat my cereal with them everyday ....

there are a few soy milks out there that i think taste gross... its all based on personal taste... and these Milk drinkers are forgetting one thing ...They are alternatives... they are not meant to taste the exact same...

thats how you know the dairy industry has most ppl programmed tho... oh well...

[vegma]

I never liked or drank cow's milk, but I grew up eating it on my cereal and that was ok. It took me months to learn to eat cereal with soy milk (after we went vegan), but it tastes fine now. I still don't drink *any*milk straight. I think everything is an acquired taste and you have to want to give it a chance.

[Erin Pavlina]

I hated milk as child too. I was fine with it if it was in ice cream and such, but I never drank it straight. Plech!

[Dancer]

The article comparing soy milks to milk was authored by an imbecile, his "testers" also imbecilic, although being his friends, this should not be a surprising element.

Pity them. Pity them all. And while it would give me insurmountable pleasure to categorically destroy each premise and "finding"of this piece, that energy would be better used to serve advocation for animal rights, the end of animal agriculture and the continued development of holistic, alternative medicines.

I sit in my teacher's lounge at lunch with my fellow EDUCATORS," some who have treated me as a leper,as I am this "vegan." That's my crime. These intelligent people are sitting with their school lunch jello, sloppy-joe's and greasy french fries and milk. Didn't miss one bovine body part with that meal. And I AM THE WEIRD ONE, with my healthy, earth-friendly, vegetable/grain based lunch.

There isn't anything one could do to this crowd that would be worse than what they are already doing to themselves.

Your vegan pal,

Dancer

P.s....it is noteworthy that in the lunchroom I am always very polite, never offering info unless directly asked. Others, however, have NO qualms about making crunched up faces and saying "Yechh!" to my meal, or relating how their brother-in-law became severely anemic on a veg diet. (Well, sure, 'cause he ate mostly junk food).

[annie7]

Amen to that, Sister Dancer!!!

[EricP]

I second that!! Amen Dancer

[mum2sarah]

Ok, I must admit, before I went vegan, I loved cow's milk. I know, I know, the thought of it sickens me now, but I used to down glasses of it every day. I'd buy it from the local farm because it tasted fresher and creamier. Going to soy milk was hard for me because milk had been such a staple, so in a way I could see how someone could think, "no milk, well then what?" I actually mixed cow's milk and soy milk until I got accustomed to the taste. Now I love soymilk, and rice milk, especially SoyDream and RiceDream! But you're right, it's not really *supposed* to, nor does it claim to taste just like cow's milk; otherwise, some of us might have the same problem as discussed on the Seitan thread! I like soy milk of its own merit!

[duckie1978]

Dancer

I hear you! I am the only vegan amongst my fellow teachers, although there are a few vegetarians sprinkled in. Whenever we have to eat as a group, I am harrassed, even by the veggies!! "Oh how can you give up dairy? You need the calcium. Blah, blah." Or the meat eaters who couldn't imagine eating tofu or anything soy because "it can't possibly taste good." Well that is a good attitude, you have never tasted the food but you KNOW that it can't taste good, so you will never try it. That is a great message to send children.

Even though I never discuss it unless asked, I am always having people "get in my face" about not eating meat. Although I do manage to discuss AR issues in my class :0) Somehow everything can be taught in an English classroom.

Dancer, what subject do you teach?

[sophie]

Funny, I was just thinking about that last night... I was thinking how I love Nature's soy soymilk (an Australian brand) and Vitasoy, and how if they tasted remotely like cow's milk there is no way I'd touch them. I always thought cow's milk on its own was disgusting. Of course, I used to force myself to drink it, to be healthy! (yes, this is wayyy before I became enlightened). However, I used to drink a lot of tea, and when I was in the process of going vegan I found it hard to part with my cow's milk in tea, as I thought soymilk tasted revolting in it. How times have changed! Now tea with soymilk is just normal and delicious. About a year after I went vegan I accidentally took a sip from the wrong cup of tea and nearly threw up- the tea with cow's milk was all fatty and tasted like a cow barn. Gross.

[annie7]

The funny little quirks we think are our own, actually must happen to everyone now and then!
I found it hardest to give up cheese, and now I can't stand the smell of it cooking.....grilled cheese, quesadillas, etc.
My daughter ( who still occasionally eats it in flavored crackers which I have been lessening little by little to "wean" her without her notice) thinks it's hysterical to breathe my direction after eating them because I practically do acrobatics to avoid that "cheesy" aroma.

[Dancer]

This board is a godsend and I am grateful to know all of you! duckie, I am an Arts Educator, and teach the visual, along with performing arts (movement, dance), film study and some photography. I have published a few papers on art theory. I admire your English major, as that was the road not taken, although I have taught High School English in summer school programs. My own art is predominately illustration, but I also sculpt, the medium being soft metals. And of course, I dance all of the time....very fit and very healthy.

My colleagues are very good at what they do as well, but their social skills often betray what I call their essential "personhoods." This is not contained to any one profession; it's just particularly astounding to see such behavior from those we entrust with modeling and example setting. (I am referring to the intolerant attitude, not the choice of diet).

I am CERTAIN that what you and I are experiencing is their fear and guilt. The very fact that my little 'ol lunch is causing such a stir in someone else's life is very telling. How is it that my organic barley vegetable soup has so much power? LOL....

On the more sublime.....I have a love affair with rice milk, and I think that the vanilla is amazing. I drink it solo, or in shakes with flaxseed oil and soy protein powder tossed into the mix. It is a brilliant food on its own. I never compare it to "milk" in either texture or flavor, just simply enjoy nature's exquisite gift.

Feeling more serene this evening than this a.m., when I wrote the above post....strongly feel this is due to all of your great posts....such wisdom and vision!

Peace,

Dancer

[annie7]

Behold the power of (not Cheese) Barley!

[tricia]

I used to drink tons of milk as a kid...my brothers and i would compete to see who could drink a glass first... i think thats the only way my parents got it into us...

when i was pregnant with my daughter i could not stand to look at milk , eat eggs, or touch meat... yuck...but i did eat alot of seafood... and thats when i become totally hooked on soy choc milk... none of the brands of regular tasted good...but when your pregnant chocolate always does...

now when i go shopping at the grocery store and i c milk, eggs, and meat i wanna hurl... the smell of dead animals is absolutely disgusting...i saw someone bite into a sausage from one of those stands downtown and i almost puked right there... we have all been deprogrammed... lol...

[Kristine]

I grew up in a complete meat eaters' community - Latvians are devoted meat eaters....
As a child I had tons of milk and dairy products because my granfather was a dairy 'factory' worker and all the dairy products for him were free of charge there. So he brought home that staff every day. I used to drink not just milk - we drank full fat sweet cream, ate heaps of sour cream and cottage cheese and cheese - TERRIFIC! But I didn't know anything better. And the second pillar of our meals was meat that was sent from our relatives' farms........ I don't want to make you sick, but I have to tell about the most terrific Latvian tipycal countryside "delicacy" - the blood sausage.... that is clumps of slaughtered animal's blood cooked with barey and stuffed in animal's gut........ People roast that killers meal and wash it down with milk!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Only the availability of information in Internet and health group of my church made me aware of the true 'face' of that abnormality - I've been vegetarian for almost 7 and vegan for almost 4 years now..
You are lucky that you can compare various soy milk brands. In Latvia there is practically no demand for animal food alternatives - there is available only Alpro soy soymilk (there is one more Lithuanian brand of soymilk powder) and only one brand of tofu, 2 brands of soy-meat and no soy mayonnaise. I make it myself by processing the tofu with spices and lemon juice. One woman from my church's health group brings very delicious soy mayonnaise from Estonia - but she is so busy, she cannot do it frequently.
I enjoy the taste of soy products - when I eat them I feel 'clean' and I feel full but not heavy, I do not feel as a killer I feel as a human being.
I won't tell about my co-workers' and relatives' rolled eyes and blah blah blah arguments - because they are the same all over the world and you know them all ))